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		<title>By: TechCrunch &#187; Profile - Consumating</title>
		<link>http://tagsonomy.com/index.php/practical-tagging-and-folksonomies/comment-page-1/#comment-537</link>
		<dc:creator>TechCrunch &#187; Profile - Consumating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 05:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  (mentions consummating in one of the best and most comprehensive tagging essays written), You&#8217;re It, 27 Degrees, Naked Condo, Cristian Contini, anarkystic (calls  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: willemvelthoven</title>
		<link>http://tagsonomy.com/index.php/practical-tagging-and-folksonomies/comment-page-1/#comment-318</link>
		<dc:creator>willemvelthoven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We use tagging in almost all our projects. knowledge sharing: http://www.cop.hva.nl or storysharing community http://www.videoletter.net and simple storysharing http://www.geheugenvanalmere.nl

All buit with http://www.anymeta.net a semantic web based, meta info matching development framework.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We use tagging in almost all our projects. knowledge sharing: <a href="http://www.cop.hva.nl" rel="nofollow">http://www.cop.hva.nl</a> or storysharing community <a href="http://www.videoletter.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.videoletter.net</a> and simple storysharing <a href="http://www.geheugenvanalmere.nl" rel="nofollow">http://www.geheugenvanalmere.nl</a></p>
<p>All buit with <a href="http://www.anymeta.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.anymeta.net</a> a semantic web based, meta info matching development framework.</p>
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		<title>By: lzimmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>lzimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You asked for mundane uses of tagging - here&#039;s a couple we&#039;re using:

Whenever we do a seminar or presentation, we create private bookmarks on a social bookmarking site tagging all the resources/tools/websites, etc. we mention and give that to attendees as a &quot;takeaway&quot; and &quot;resource center.&quot;

We also use tagging when submitting complex proposals to clients as a convenient way to help them review relevant examples of work.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You asked for mundane uses of tagging &#8211; here&#8217;s a couple we&#8217;re using:</p>
<p>Whenever we do a seminar or presentation, we create private bookmarks on a social bookmarking site tagging all the resources/tools/websites, etc. we mention and give that to attendees as a &#8220;takeaway&#8221; and &#8220;resource center.&#8221;</p>
<p>We also use tagging when submitting complex proposals to clients as a convenient way to help them review relevant examples of work.</p>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch</title>
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		<dc:creator>TechCrunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Profile - Consumating&lt;/strong&gt;

	Company: Consumating
Launched: 2005
Location: Austin, TX
	Overview:
	
Consumating is dating 2.0. Yes, it&#8217;s dating with tags. They also use a bit of Ajax in their interface.
	After registering (it&#8217;s free), you create an online profile. The ...</description>
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<p>	Company: Consumating<br />
Launched: 2005<br />
Location: Austin, TX<br />
	Overview:</p>
<p>Consumating is dating 2.0. Yes, it&#8217;s dating with tags. They also use a bit of Ajax in their interface.<br />
	After registering (it&#8217;s free), you create an online profile. The &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cloudy Thinking by Ron K. Jeffries  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Tags and Tagging</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cloudy Thinking by Ron K. Jeffries  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Tags and Tagging</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ation 			 		 	 		 			Tags and Tagging 	 			 					Here are a couple of tagging resources: 	 Tagsonomy 	Technorati top tags. 	I am trying to figure out how to incorporate  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ation 			 		 	 		 			Tags and Tagging 	 			 					Here are a couple of tagging resources: 	 Tagsonomy 	Technorati top tags. 	I am trying to figure out how to incorporate  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tbonnemann</title>
		<link>http://tagsonomy.com/index.php/practical-tagging-and-folksonomies/comment-page-1/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>tbonnemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mention an essay of yours. Is that essay available anywhere? Thanks!</description>
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		<title>By: jwilde</title>
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		<dc:creator>jwilde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I use an open souce system, drupal, that we have added tagging to for internal and external enterprise blogging. We also support a rich taxonomy. on display here, www.advancinginsights.com/mybiz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I use an open souce system, drupal, that we have added tagging to for internal and external enterprise blogging. We also support a rich taxonomy. on display here, <a href="http://www.advancinginsights.com/mybiz" rel="nofollow">http://www.advancinginsights.com/mybiz</a></p>
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		<title>By: danielb</title>
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		<dc:creator>danielb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 18:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out http://thingamy.com/what.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out <a href="http://thingamy.com/what.html" rel="nofollow">http://thingamy.com/what.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: onpause</title>
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		<dc:creator>onpause</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>strikes me that many content management endeavors inside the enterprise over the past 10 years HAVE been using a sort of &quot;folksonomy&quot; approach. tools which ask a staff user to &quot;tag&quot; content by typing &quot;keywords&quot; (sans any particular taxonomy or controlled vocab) into a free text field in a GUI and then aggregate &quot;related links&quot; or &quot;see also&quot;s based on those keywords; so, in my experience, this isn&#039;t a completely new approach. 

isn&#039;t it just a matter of defining &quot;folk&quot; for any specific case? sometimes the &quot;folk&quot; in a &quot;folksonomy&quot; are staff members of a content-creating organization, rather than the &quot;general public&quot;. but ease-of-use-tagging GUIs, immediate feedback loop on the effects of one&#039;s tagging actions, &quot;set theory&quot; aggregation features, bootstrapping the effectiveness of a system by amplifying repeated users&#039; behaviors, a general philosophy of &quot;this isn&#039;t perfect, but it is far better than nothing, and it scales well&quot;, as well as other aspects of the &quot;folksonomy&quot; approach to describing content are basically the same as what we&#039;ve seen in some content management contexts.

however, issues like synonyms and misspellings can be quite troubling for content businesses and organizations with an editorial reputation to uphold. the &quot;turkey/Turkey&quot; problem has historically not been likely to be tolerated in this type of context, and this eventually causes someone to think &quot;hey, we need a controlled vocabulary!&quot; then, to &quot;enforce&quot; the CV, &quot;tagging&quot; becomesa  more and more complex task; motivation can become an issue, especially without positive &quot;this is what happens when you add good tags!&quot; feedback loops already in place.

some (and i include myself in this group) feel that there is great benefit to be had by combining the best aspects of the &quot;folksonomy&quot; approach with the best parts of the &quot;controlled vocabs&quot; approach. no, not by forcing &quot;taggers&quot; to choose terms from a CV or conform to a taxonomy, but by adding a robust &quot;admin&quot; layer staffed by &quot;librarians&quot;, mostly to link up synonyms, organize post-facto heirarchies for consumers to browse, etc; basically, some people &quot;tagging the tags&quot;.

point is, use a &quot;folksonomy&quot; approach for metadata contribution, with no requirements other than typing into a text box and checking out what happens next, possibly then adjusting one&#039;s tags as per feedback loop... meanwhile, make the system as &quot;editorially responsible&quot; as the business deems neccesary, with admin/librarians nudging the system where neccesary (for instance, the &quot;turkey/Turkey&quot; issue, where the system could be config&#039;d to raise a &quot;disambiguate me!&quot; flag upon each use).

i suppose i could be accused of trying to serve two masters at once here, and neither well! at least inside the enterprise, though, i&#039;ve observed approaches along the lines i&#039;ve described above work quite well, so i advocate a &quot;best of both worlds&quot; approach. &quot;folksonomy&quot; and &quot;a formally organized information space&quot; aren&#039;t mutually exclusive; we can see them complement each other, especially inside the enterprise. 

as mr shirky suggests, &quot;ontology&quot; CAN BE useful in certain contexts, but probably not for organizing the ENTIRE WEB in one go... 

(BTW, howdee xian!)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>strikes me that many content management endeavors inside the enterprise over the past 10 years HAVE been using a sort of &#8220;folksonomy&#8221; approach. tools which ask a staff user to &#8220;tag&#8221; content by typing &#8220;keywords&#8221; (sans any particular taxonomy or controlled vocab) into a free text field in a GUI and then aggregate &#8220;related links&#8221; or &#8220;see also&#8221;s based on those keywords; so, in my experience, this isn&#8217;t a completely new approach. </p>
<p>isn&#8217;t it just a matter of defining &#8220;folk&#8221; for any specific case? sometimes the &#8220;folk&#8221; in a &#8220;folksonomy&#8221; are staff members of a content-creating organization, rather than the &#8220;general public&#8221;. but ease-of-use-tagging GUIs, immediate feedback loop on the effects of one&#8217;s tagging actions, &#8220;set theory&#8221; aggregation features, bootstrapping the effectiveness of a system by amplifying repeated users&#8217; behaviors, a general philosophy of &#8220;this isn&#8217;t perfect, but it is far better than nothing, and it scales well&#8221;, as well as other aspects of the &#8220;folksonomy&#8221; approach to describing content are basically the same as what we&#8217;ve seen in some content management contexts.</p>
<p>however, issues like synonyms and misspellings can be quite troubling for content businesses and organizations with an editorial reputation to uphold. the &#8220;turkey/Turkey&#8221; problem has historically not been likely to be tolerated in this type of context, and this eventually causes someone to think &#8220;hey, we need a controlled vocabulary!&#8221; then, to &#8220;enforce&#8221; the CV, &#8220;tagging&#8221; becomesa  more and more complex task; motivation can become an issue, especially without positive &#8220;this is what happens when you add good tags!&#8221; feedback loops already in place.</p>
<p>some (and i include myself in this group) feel that there is great benefit to be had by combining the best aspects of the &#8220;folksonomy&#8221; approach with the best parts of the &#8220;controlled vocabs&#8221; approach. no, not by forcing &#8220;taggers&#8221; to choose terms from a CV or conform to a taxonomy, but by adding a robust &#8220;admin&#8221; layer staffed by &#8220;librarians&#8221;, mostly to link up synonyms, organize post-facto heirarchies for consumers to browse, etc; basically, some people &#8220;tagging the tags&#8221;.</p>
<p>point is, use a &#8220;folksonomy&#8221; approach for metadata contribution, with no requirements other than typing into a text box and checking out what happens next, possibly then adjusting one&#8217;s tags as per feedback loop&#8230; meanwhile, make the system as &#8220;editorially responsible&#8221; as the business deems neccesary, with admin/librarians nudging the system where neccesary (for instance, the &#8220;turkey/Turkey&#8221; issue, where the system could be config&#8217;d to raise a &#8220;disambiguate me!&#8221; flag upon each use).</p>
<p>i suppose i could be accused of trying to serve two masters at once here, and neither well! at least inside the enterprise, though, i&#8217;ve observed approaches along the lines i&#8217;ve described above work quite well, so i advocate a &#8220;best of both worlds&#8221; approach. &#8220;folksonomy&#8221; and &#8220;a formally organized information space&#8221; aren&#8217;t mutually exclusive; we can see them complement each other, especially inside the enterprise. </p>
<p>as mr shirky suggests, &#8220;ontology&#8221; CAN BE useful in certain contexts, but probably not for organizing the ENTIRE WEB in one go&#8230; </p>
<p>(BTW, howdee xian!)</p>
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		<title>By: xian</title>
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		<dc:creator>xian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 04:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my consulting with businesses and nonprofits I frequently find myself recommending that they at least consider using tags as a tactic, depending on their overall content strategy; for example, when a large legacy document store needs categorization but it can&#039;t be handled programmatically and there isn&#039;t a qualified or available internal resource.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my consulting with businesses and nonprofits I frequently find myself recommending that they at least consider using tags as a tactic, depending on their overall content strategy; for example, when a large legacy document store needs categorization but it can&#8217;t be handled programmatically and there isn&#8217;t a qualified or available internal resource.</p>
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