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		<title>By: phred_pui</title>
		<link>http://tagsonomy.com/index.php/the-tagging-hype-cycle/comment-page-1/#comment-18794</link>
		<dc:creator>phred_pui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Joe, this makes things clearer now. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pui.ch/phred/archives/2007/05/tag-history-and-gartners-hype-cycles.html#apply_at_all&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I updated my post&lt;/a&gt;, do you agree with my update?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Joe, this makes things clearer now. <a href="http://www.pui.ch/phred/archives/2007/05/tag-history-and-gartners-hype-cycles.html#apply_at_all" rel="nofollow">I updated my post</a>, do you agree with my update?</p>
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		<title>By: joelamantia</title>
		<link>http://tagsonomy.com/index.php/the-tagging-hype-cycle/comment-page-1/#comment-18753</link>
		<dc:creator>joelamantia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phillipp,

Without reading the whole Hype Cycle in detail, I have two thoughts: First, this is an emerging technologies and collaboration Hype Cycle.  Gartner may track tagging in the metadata / taxonomy category.  

Second, I think the lack of commercialization around tagging affects the way that Gartner regards the whole subject.  Gartner sells it&#039;s analysis to lots of customers thinking of spending money on technology.  If it doesn&#039;t cost money, the perceived risks of the technology are lower, and the big analysis firms pay less attention, because their customers see less need to pay for analysis.  If there&#039;s no market, they&#039;re smart enough not to create product that won&#039;t sell.

However, as this blog mentions in my most recent post, tagging is entering the phase of commercial innovation - where would-be sellers invest money and time in an effort to create products or services for sale to customers.  

As I&#039;m not an enterprise IT buyer, I think we&#039;ll simply have to wait and see how well these attempts to &#039;productize&#039; tagging work out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillipp,</p>
<p>Without reading the whole Hype Cycle in detail, I have two thoughts: First, this is an emerging technologies and collaboration Hype Cycle.  Gartner may track tagging in the metadata / taxonomy category.  </p>
<p>Second, I think the lack of commercialization around tagging affects the way that Gartner regards the whole subject.  Gartner sells it&#8217;s analysis to lots of customers thinking of spending money on technology.  If it doesn&#8217;t cost money, the perceived risks of the technology are lower, and the big analysis firms pay less attention, because their customers see less need to pay for analysis.  If there&#8217;s no market, they&#8217;re smart enough not to create product that won&#8217;t sell.</p>
<p>However, as this blog mentions in my most recent post, tagging is entering the phase of commercial innovation &#8211; where would-be sellers invest money and time in an effort to create products or services for sale to customers.  </p>
<p>As I&#8217;m not an enterprise IT buyer, I think we&#8217;ll simply have to wait and see how well these attempts to &#8216;productize&#8217; tagging work out.</p>
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		<title>By: phred_pui</title>
		<link>http://tagsonomy.com/index.php/the-tagging-hype-cycle/comment-page-1/#comment-17894</link>
		<dc:creator>phred_pui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just found a document of Gartner themselves that says which &quot;technology&quot; they put where: http://www.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?doc_cd=140881&amp;ref=g_SiteLink

Tagging isn&#039;t part of this list - I suppose because it is too small in comparison with the things mentioned in this list.

But Joe, can you explain why Tagging shouldn&#039;t be in this list when RSS, Blogging and Wikis are part of that list?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found a document of Gartner themselves that says which &#8220;technology&#8221; they put where: <a href="http://www.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?doc_cd=140881&amp;ref=g_SiteLink" rel="nofollow">http://www.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?doc_cd=140881&amp;ref=g_SiteLink</a></p>
<p>Tagging isn&#8217;t part of this list &#8211; I suppose because it is too small in comparison with the things mentioned in this list.</p>
<p>But Joe, can you explain why Tagging shouldn&#8217;t be in this list when RSS, Blogging and Wikis are part of that list?</p>
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		<title>By: phred_pui</title>
		<link>http://tagsonomy.com/index.php/the-tagging-hype-cycle/comment-page-1/#comment-14964</link>
		<dc:creator>phred_pui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joe

Thanks a lot for the insightful feedback to my blog post.

I must confess that I&#039;m not into enterprise at all so I just stumbled over that explanation of hype cycles, thought: &quot;Oh, this applies amazingly well to the tag history as I experienced it&quot; and that was it. So thank you for making things clear.

I agree with you that tagging is not this kind of &quot;first order technology&quot;. The whole &quot;web 2.0&quot; thing probably applies better (or are there other good examples of technologies that apply to those hype cycles?)

But then, I still think the &quot;Hype cycle&quot; describes quite well what happened to tagging. Or do you say that tagging is still hyped? You say &quot;I’ll revisit the current activity around tagging at a later date&quot;. I&#039;d love to hear that. I&#039;d love to hear some new innovation going on. Am I just missing it or is there not much around?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joe</p>
<p>Thanks a lot for the insightful feedback to my blog post.</p>
<p>I must confess that I&#8217;m not into enterprise at all so I just stumbled over that explanation of hype cycles, thought: &#8220;Oh, this applies amazingly well to the tag history as I experienced it&#8221; and that was it. So thank you for making things clear.</p>
<p>I agree with you that tagging is not this kind of &#8220;first order technology&#8221;. The whole &#8220;web 2.0&#8243; thing probably applies better (or are there other good examples of technologies that apply to those hype cycles?)</p>
<p>But then, I still think the &#8220;Hype cycle&#8221; describes quite well what happened to tagging. Or do you say that tagging is still hyped? You say &#8220;I’ll revisit the current activity around tagging at a later date&#8221;. I&#8217;d love to hear that. I&#8217;d love to hear some new innovation going on. Am I just missing it or is there not much around?</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Edhouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Edhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an interesting discussion, and I feel I can contribute. I should just say firstly that I am an entrepreneur working on a new type of application that uses tags in a fundamentally new way, so my comments are colored by my deep conviction that tagging as a medium is only just getting started.

I agree with Joe that Phillip Keller is applying the &#039;Hype Cycle&#039; inappropriately in this case. The most obvious reason is of course that &#039;tags&#039; are not a &#039;technology&#039;, if anything they are more like a communication medium. They communicate human interest or intent. 

However, tags are at the moment, many things to many people, but really the current form of &#039;tag&#039; to which this blog refers, had its genesis as the &#039;html-tag&#039; back at the beginning of the web in the early 1990&#039;s. 

Lots of people learned html and started to understand that an html-tag could point to anything. So, Keller&#039;s Tagging Hype Cycle mis-identifies tagging as a technology and also mistakes the start of the phenomenon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting discussion, and I feel I can contribute. I should just say firstly that I am an entrepreneur working on a new type of application that uses tags in a fundamentally new way, so my comments are colored by my deep conviction that tagging as a medium is only just getting started.</p>
<p>I agree with Joe that Phillip Keller is applying the &#8216;Hype Cycle&#8217; inappropriately in this case. The most obvious reason is of course that &#8216;tags&#8217; are not a &#8216;technology&#8217;, if anything they are more like a communication medium. They communicate human interest or intent. </p>
<p>However, tags are at the moment, many things to many people, but really the current form of &#8216;tag&#8217; to which this blog refers, had its genesis as the &#8216;html-tag&#8217; back at the beginning of the web in the early 1990&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Lots of people learned html and started to understand that an html-tag could point to anything. So, Keller&#8217;s Tagging Hype Cycle mis-identifies tagging as a technology and also mistakes the start of the phenomenon.</p>
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		<title>By: xian</title>
		<link>http://tagsonomy.com/index.php/the-tagging-hype-cycle/comment-page-1/#comment-14908</link>
		<dc:creator>xian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 01:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of good food for thought in there. Thanks, Joe!

One quibble. You write: &quot;Tagging does not seek to displace existing technologies or entrenched vendors&quot; but are there not automated taxonomy generating tools that might be disrupted by the widespread adoption of tagging? 

More broadly, isn&#039;t tagging something of a threat to top-down ontology and taxonomy approaches?

Great to see some chatter here to dispell the &quot;trough&quot; idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of good food for thought in there. Thanks, Joe!</p>
<p>One quibble. You write: &#8220;Tagging does not seek to displace existing technologies or entrenched vendors&#8221; but are there not automated taxonomy generating tools that might be disrupted by the widespread adoption of tagging? </p>
<p>More broadly, isn&#8217;t tagging something of a threat to top-down ontology and taxonomy approaches?</p>
<p>Great to see some chatter here to dispell the &#8220;trough&#8221; idea.</p>
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